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2018-10-04 14:45:33 -0700
2018-10-04 10:10:47 -0700
Stop the pipeline for the good of the land, the people of Canada and Mother Earth. Stop giving in to greed and stupidity for the sake of the oil companies. The pipeline was bought with the people’s money, do what the people want and shut it down.
2018-10-04 08:46:38 -0700
Justinyou could be a hero and put an end to old fossil fuel usage, and take those dollars and put them toward making alternative energy affordable. Then you certainly would go down in history as a leader…a good leader.
2018-10-03 22:22:45 -0700
Somethings to remember, that maybe not everyone is clear on.
The people in favour of the pipelines and increased traffic are responding to an inertia that to some degree or another, we are all a part of. Our most casual small choices that increase the demand for oil for packaging for something that we eat and don’t think about again, need to be visualized as happening 8 billion times at once.
We need to actively be reducing the demand for oil, changing our own lives first, and then leading by example.
With that, we do not have need to destroy ourselves with guilt or revert to an archaic lifestyle that most of us, honestly, would suck at.
Among the proponents for more oil flow, many or even most of them are familiar with the data on climate change, and generally believe it. They are not evil.
They do, however, believe that it is inevitable, that they have no blame for going along with the God of Free Markets, and either are resigned to the possible ending of life and civilization as we know it, or are making plans for themselves and their favoured people and house pets to survive.
The rest of us?
Those people are crazy.
So are we, and everyone we see in the street.
This world has made us crazy, to a degree we have cooperated, and continue to do so every time we casually push someone else closer to craziness.
The people relying on the pipelines to feed their families are generally just decent people like presumably we mostly are, playing with the hand dealt to them.
We can’t stop fighting the pipeline, we need to not soften an inch more than we have to in order to find solid footing to resist.
But if we are actively looking for ways that the perceived need for the pipeline and it’s oil can be reduced, we are also fighting the fights of 10, 15, and 25 years from now.
For the generations.
2018-10-03 22:03:53 -0700
I want the
to think about the fact that there is a BC Ferry at the bottom of the ocean right now. I’ve lived on the BC coast for 40 years and I never thought that would happen. An accident in perfect weather conditions, with the best trained crew working under the best labour standards. Due to simple inattention. That’s all it took. Bitumen at the bottom of the ocean cannot happen!
Also, what hasn’t been made clear enough is that every single Coastal First Nation near where the tankers would be traveling opposes the
expansion. Every single one of them. That should be enough. Their fishery, their other food sources, the use of their traditional territories is threatened in a way that is completely unacceptable. The risk is far too high for any profit to Alberta or shareholders.
2018-10-03 20:54:23 -0700
I want to know why raw Bituman is not being refined in Alberta before being brought to the B.C. Coast. Could it be that the Chinese investors don’t want it refined in Canada because they want to do it themselves in their own refineries and steal jobs away from Canadians in Alberta? Today we heard from Jason Kenny that some of this raw Bituman will also be going to a huge refinery in India. More loist jobs for Canadians.
2018-10-03 20:26:51 -0700
Shame on you Mr. Trudeau for forcing this pipeline out into the most narrow Inlet in the lower mainland. Where there is no way of escape for all Vancouver residents. How dare you poison our waterways. Are you not listening to our professors, our Burnaby Fire Cheif. You know that this Inlet cannot accommodate a 700 % percent increase in tanker traffic. Dodging the sea buses as people make their way to work everyday. Putting down anti spawning salmon nets in our waters. Messing with Mother Nature for a bad deal. Killing our whales. Eventually killing our tourist industry. Emencly disrespecting First Nations lands and way of life. My grandchildren’s future is here and how dare you threaten their health! My life is short but theirs are just beginning!!
You lied to us here in BC. No one will forget you or forgive you for your shady tactics! Find another place to wreak havoc in because you and your losing billions of dollars deal is not wanted hear.
Your children will hear of what you did and if I was a father I would be ashamed!!!
2018-10-03 19:31:28 -0700
Shame on Trudeau and his corrupt
for using another tactic, outdated faxing plus a short timeline for the public to comment on this corrupt project.
As scientists and economists have already stated and proven, the claim that Canada needs to expand the tar sands to pass bitumen through B.C.’s coast to allow the export of toxic bitumen, as a way make the transition to clean energy, is completely false.
There’s 2 sides of that coin. One side gathers the evidence using scientists and economists that haven’t been corrupted, paid by government or industry to spin a fabrication of the truth; which is the other side of the coin. Corruption based.
Those of us that follow Robyn Allan, Kennedy Stewart, Mark Eliesen, Elizabeth May, Andrew Weaver, Nathan Cullen, just to name a few, are more than researched as to what was falsified to pass a project based on backroom deals and Regulatory Capture to benefit a few.
Regulatory Capture, pays. Carefully and quietly mind you.
This dangerous to human life and the environment project has only reached fruition because of government corruption. Greed. It pays top officials with private interests, and denies all the science against it in order to pass it.
Below points, EG: Only 12 reasons showing the corruption behind this project and there’s a lot more than 12:>
1) Kills endangered species, eco systems land and marine.
2) People Who Live Downwind Of Alberta’s Oil And Tar Sands Operations Are Getting Blood Cancer.
The area saw concentrations of some chemicals that were higher than levels in Mexico City during the 1990s, when it was the most polluted city on the planet. Levels of some volatile organic compounds — which, depending on the compound, have been linked to liver, kidney and central nervous system damage as well as cancer — were 6,000 times higher than normal.
3) Takes out B.C. tourism
there’s a spill.
4) Puts Burnaby residents in danger due to the high probability of a tank farm explosion. To which the Burnaby Fire Chief has said, the logistics make it almost impossible to evacuate residents and
students off of the mountain.
5) Canadian Association of Physicians for the environment (
Excerpt:> Locally, there is the potential for a catastrophic fire on Burnaby Mountain due to the proposed increased storage tank density. It is also still unknown how spilled diluted bitumen could effectively be cleaned up, and health risks of a spill include mental health impacts, cultural impacts for local Indigenous communities, respiratory illness, and potentially increased long-term risks of acute myeloid leukemia for community members exposed to volatile diluents.
6) Kinder Morgan’s false job numbers.
15,000 jobs, are actually 6 X’s the number of temporary construction jobs that KM presented in it’s National Energy Board application. And, it will only create 90 permanent jobs.
KM’s Ian Anderson admitted he only hires temp foreign workers, meaning
the workers contracted for the Kinder Morgan construction jobs are actually for only 2000 – 3000
Gord Johns explains 100,000 B.C.ers depend on clean oceans for their jobs.
The 15,000 jobs number comes from a fantastical calculation based on the doubling of the amount of construction time, this proposed pipeline is allowed to take. The pipeline is supposed to be constructed over 2 years, but the job number comes from a 4 year construction period. Economist Robyn Allan therefore calls the 15,000 jobs number a scam.
#‘s — By altering the time horizon and renaming the nature of the employment to characterize it as something it is not, illustrates how Kinder Morgan’s 15,000 construction workforce figure is meaningless and was manipulated to show it would produce 80% more jobs than it can. When asked, Trudeau’s office staff refused to reply back how the original figures their boss relies on was developed.
Robin Allyn, 1 of 2 ex pipeline intervenor’s who quit the pipe review concluding “disturbingly the outcome was predetermined”, investigated and found the formula Kinder Morgan used to come up with their exaggerated job numbers. The Conference Board based its estimate on an Input Output model which — because of its many design flaws — delivers highly exaggerated results. In depth explanation in article.
8) Intervenor Mark Eliesen realizing the approval process was fraudulent:>
Excerpt:> Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that the Board, through its decisions, is engaged in a public deception. Continued involvement with this process is a waste of time and effort, and represents a disservice to the public interest because it endorses a fraudulent process.
I have a professional background that includes over 40 years of experience in senior executive positions in the energy sector of Canada, and an understanding and working knowledge of the mandate and operations of the National Energy Board, including an appreciation of the principles of natural justice and the rules and practices of quasijudicial bodies in Canada. I have reached my conclusions based on my wealth of experience.
9) Linda Duncan – B.C.’s Endangered Orca. It seems, as far as the Canadian federal government is concerned one can kill orca
taxpayers through carcinogenic toxic tar sands emissions. Kill whatever you need to kill to pass a corrupt project.
MP Linda Duncan addressing the house stating the National Energy Board heard clear
a 7 fold increase in tanker traffic through the Salish Sea “would deliver a near certain extinction for our southern resident killer whale pod.” 1 min video. They call that a
of the expansion.
10) This next article is “can we clean bitumen?” Here’s an excerpt:>
Excerpt:> Canada’s premier scientific academy, the Royal Society of Canada, concluded that we lack the science to know if it is possible to clean-up dilbit. The
ruled that accepting the Royal Society study of would be unfair to Kinder Morgan.
11) Many First Nations not consulted:>
Excerpt:. The First Nations groups have seized upon a report in the online publication The National Observer, which published e-mails from government officials, obtained under the Access to Information Act, that suggest Ottawa was consulting with First Nations after having already determined it would approve the project.
“It appears the Trudeau government entered into this process with an end goal in mind, without engaging First Nations, without consulting us or many other First Nations along the pipeline route that would be affected,” Khelsilem said.
12) What’s in Bitumen? Why is Canada’s federal government hiding this?
Yet officials in Washington State’s Department of Natural Resources voiced grievous doubts in internal memos dated January 2017. “What is frustrating is … tar sand oil manufacturers’ lack of transparency on what is used for diluents and those diluent properties, which in my mind (alludes) to dishonesty,” wrote the state’s oil spill response coordinator.
There’s so incredibly much more that illustrates how corrupt this project is.
while hiding all the science proving this project is harmful to human life, wildlife, our air, water, land.
The list of 1-12 are only a tip of the iceburg proving this project is corrupt.
Canadians in opposition to the Kinder Morgan expansion are telling you to stop this harmful destructive project that was only passed due to Government Corruption and Regulatory Capture.
Justin Trudeau and peers are every bit an embarrassment to this country as is any politician, regardless of party, that is an industry shill working for private interests and corporations, but
the Canadian people.
People are every bit as intelligent as those that are pushing for this project. We’re just fed up with corrupt white collar criminal government officials, whose toxic projects make taxpayers sick, damage resources and eco systems, only to line the pockets of a few; that have to push harmful unnecessary projects to line them. We’ve got money for clean energy. But not when it’s going offshore (Paradise Papers), or used to buy 60 year old pipelines for 4.5 billion.
2018-10-03 18:05:58 -0700
The pipeline is a disaster to the environment. And the economy though might disagree. With my opinion. But there some like myself who still care about the planet. Over profit.
2018-10-03 17:06:56 -0700
The proposed Trans Mountain Pipeline is a ruinous idea for the following reasons:
1. It is almost too late to meet our climate target, let alone stop contributing to climate change, even if we spent all that money on converting to renewable energy sources.
2. There is NO way to clean up bitumen from the ocean. As the diluent evaporates out of the dillbit, it releases toxic, flammable and potentially explosive vapours, especially in an enclosed space like Vancouver Harbour. 3. Our whole west coast ocean life will be irreversibly destroyed, from tanker noise as well as spilled bitumen.
4. There is a limited world market for the low grade high sulphur product that comes out of the Alberta tarsands. This market will shrink even further with the limit on sulphur level in bunker fuel for ships that comes into effect in 2019. Getting this product “to tidewater” will not increase its value. Outside of the
there are few refineries that can handle this low grade product.
2018-10-03 15:59:37 -0700
There can be NO
on a dead planet..! !!L .
these destroyers of
we are electing as our representatives of Democracy ? What a bleak and dire earth we will be giving to our beautiful children, so full of life and love. Will they know whales? Bears? Caribou? Moose? Will they experience the exquisite beauty of nature….”Super Natural BC” ..????How terribly sad! Already the EcoMarine System is suffering from untenable noises pollution, deadly impact,with tankers, suffocation from microplastic pollution ….
Where is the wisdom in destroying our Eco Systems?
2018-10-03 13:41:39 -0700
Dear National Energy Board As a Canadian that has watched the intermittent non sense of Canada’s political system all my life, I find myself feeling the same as I did when I was a child… why doesn’t the government do what they say they will, why do they keep doing things that make it harder and harder for the people and all other creatures to live a good life?? There is no excuse for the behavior of Canada’s decision makers, the time for honest intelligent politics is here and I expect this government to do the right thing for the future of all. There is no way this planet will continue functioning with deceptive decision makers in charge. Canada’s leaders need to pull their pants all the way up and make intelligent respectful choices that include
as well as the future of this earth and every living thing here within. I made the decision to vote for Trudeau’s government based on the hope that Canada might finally have leaders to care about it’s people and country, well, once again I feel deceived and conned. I will not be voting for this government again and have now returned to the tactic of ‘voting out’ the people currently in charge. Why, why do the people elected to serve this country continue to feed it’s people candy that is poisoned and treat our lands and resources as if they are a private piggy banks with endless $$$ to be taken out and zero consequences to follow? My heart is sickened by the events surrounding this pipeline, why do the people have to tell the government what is good for all, is there no common sense or foresight within anyone in charge?? Yes this is a democracy and the people are speaking, the whole world knows how passive and polite Canadians can be, so might I suggest y’all be listening carefully this time, we’re pissed!! Jane Hambrook Vancouver BC
2018-10-03 13:23:04 -0700
? Are you serious…does this government and the
think we are all idiots? This process is once again starting out on the wrong foot by trying to limit public input because they know the public does not support the governments plan to become a Johnny come lately in the fossil fuel industry.
If the government is not representing the electorate, or even listening to the voters of this country, Canadians will do their own re-assessment come the next election. The election results will not be determined by a judicial review but by Canadian voters who do not go “all in” on a risky hand and do not appreciate the shady tactics used by a crooked house of cards.
Time for Canadians to stand up and be counted…the only people that will protect our interests…are us voters.
2018-10-03 13:08:52 -0700
Dear Energy Board,
This is far more than just the issue with the First Nations, This is a global issue. We all people on this earth have to reduce burning fuels and go in the direction of alternative renewable energy.
The money and time spend on this pipeline would bring as a big step in that direction if it had been used for renewables.
Here is the reason why we can’t go on as we did in the last 100 years;
There is also anomore thing, a wise man said a while ago “you can’t fix a problem with the same mind who created it”. Albert Einstein.
that means youshould create an other board with different people who are informed about global warming, climat change and the dangers of transpoting Dillbit.
2018-10-03 12:15:38 -0700
Dear National Energy Board,
Canada has no chance of meeting our emissions targets under Paris if this pipeline expansion goes through. Announced investment in the oilsands has increased since the Liberal government bought the pipeline, completely contrary to your assertions that this pipeline has nothing to do with oilsands expansion. This industry needs to be phased out
. The money already wasted on buying a pipeline valued at $700,000 by KM only a few years before
be followed by more tax dollars. For the sake of future generations this toxic investment must be stopped before our country is pulled further into debt protecting a dangerous boom and bust industry that does not have Canadians’ best interests at heart.
Use your heads and save our wallets. Use your hearts and save our coasts. Use your gut instincts to let this pipeline die.
2018-10-03 12:05:46 -0700
Having Coast Saalish & European Settler lineage, born on the West Coast- as all my mothers before me, but living in Alberta now, I feel uniquely invested in the perplexing matter of the Trans Mountain Pipeline
consultations. I am concerned that the concept of consulting is inconsistent with UNDRIP’s right of Consent. Both Federal and Provincial Elected Govt.s have pledged to adopt
, but Canadian case law precedent contravenes
provisions, barring 1st Nation’s veto. With this inconsistency, there is no possible structural framework for
to mandate a sound decision. Trudeau and Horgan must offer more than lip service to their ceremonial comittments to
, and the UN must make means of enforcement and protection for 1st Nations Unalienable inherent Rights-or any
approval without 1st Nations full consent is unjust, and inherently unactionable.
Shanon Sinn Fenske
2018-10-03 11:41:59 -0700
I stand in solidarity with the Coast Salish, Nuu-chah-nulth & Kwak’wakawakw of Vancouver Island & the lands surrounding the Salish Sea. I do not recognize foreign First Nations or others as having treaty violating authority over the people whose territories these are. In accordance with the United Nations, Canadian law, and basic human moral decency I will protect our water because I believe it is sacred.
2018-10-03 10:49:54 -0700
Both Trudeau and Trump want what
want and simply care what brings in the next vote in favor of
do we as individuals count or do we even matter? There actions have made it clear that we do not. This is our land and water and we must protect this vital resource. Does Alberta care what happens if we have a spill
!!! and we will as time has clearly proven time and time again.
2018-10-03 10:43:17 -0700
“It’s harder to rally people around a threat to humanity than one that endangers their own backyard.” I spotted this profound yet disturbing truism, albeit perhaps logically Darwinian, in an essay in the July/August issue of The Walrus.
Especially with so much of the planet literally as well as emotionally on fire, it highlights for me the apparently prevailing penny-wise-pound-foolish widespread human mentality when it comes to the serious man-made pollution, though immediately free from our societal view, that’s toxifying our life-sustaining natural environment and worsening an already dire global warming reality.
Perhaps it helps explain the increase in per capita automobile ownership (including SUVs) in Canada last year, compared to 2016, especially in B.C.; it’s something that UBC’s Sauder School of Business economist Werner Antweiler describes as “a disconcerting picture”, considering serious global greenhouse gas concerns. “The number of vehicles has grown faster than the number of people in the country.”
I often wonder whether that unfortunate aspect of our general nature that permits us our tunnel vision regarding environmental degradation, will be our eventual undoing?
Maybe due to (Spaceship) Earth’s large size, there seems to be a general oblivious mentality as though even the largest contamination event can somehow be safely absorbed into the environment—air, sea, and land.
For example, it’s largely believed that when released into gritty B.C. coastal waters, diluted bitumen (dilbit) will likely sink to the bottom, as with the 2010 Michigan spill in which dilbit is still being scraped off of the Kalamazoo River floor.
I wonder, could that sinking characteristic perhaps appeal to some people who are usually apathetic towards the natural environment deep below the water surface: i.e. it will no longer be an eyesore after it sinks—i.e. out of sight, out of mind?
Indeed, it’s safe to assume that, had the (central B.C., August 4, 2014) Mount Polley copper and gold mine massive tailings pond release of a slurry of years’ worth of waste into Polley Lake—yet for which there were no B.C.-environmental-law charges laid against Imperial Metals regardless of its clear recklessness—been located in plain sight just off of, say, Vancouver’s scenic attraction Stanley Park instead of in a region of natural wilderness, it would not have received the relatively minute mainstream news-media coverage it has to date.
Apparently it’s the nature of our beast; although, just because some human behaviour is common or ‘normal’, doesn’t necessarily make it moral or ethical.
It may be the same mentality that allows the immense amount of plastic waste, such as disposable straws, to eventually find its way into our life-filled oceans, where there are few, if any, caring souls to see it.
Indeed, it’s quite fortunate that the plastic waste doesn’t entirely sink out of sight to the bottom, like dilbit, for then nothing may be done about it, regardless of divers’ reports of the awful existence of such plastic tangled messes.
Could it be the same mentality that, when randomly asked by a Global News TV reporter (a few months back) what he thought of government restrictions on disposable plastic straws, compelled a young male Vancouverite wearing sunglasses to retort, “It’s like we’re living in a nanny state, always telling me what I can’t do.”
Astonished by his shortsighted little-boy selfishness, I wondered whether he’d be the same sort of individual who’d likely have a sufficiently grand sense of entitlement—i.e. “Don’t tell me what I can’t waste or do, dude!”—to permit himself to now, say, deliberately dump a whole box of unused straws into the Georgia Strait, just to stick it to the authorities who’d dare tell him that enough is enough with our gratuitous massive dumps of plastics into our oceans (which are of course unable to defend themselves against such guys seemingly asserting self-granted sovereignty over the natural environment), so he could figuratively middle-finger any new government rules with a closing, ‘There! How d’ya like that, pal!”
And, of course, the condition is allowed to fester via a mainstream news-media, being socially liberal and/or economically libertarian, that seems to not have a problem with such infantile oh-well perspectives; the same narrow-mindedness that often makes me question whether we really have plausible hope in turning around our recklessness in time?
After all, why worry about such things immediately unseen, regardless of their most immense importance, especially when there are various undesirable politicians and significant social issues over which to dispute—distractions our mainstream news-media seem only too willing to provide us?
And, indeed, it must be quite convenient for Big Business—especially the fossil fuel industry—to have such a large portion of mainstream society simply too exhausted and preoccupied with just barely feeding and housing their families on a substandard, if not below the poverty line, income to criticize the former for the great damage it’s doing to our planet and health, particularly when that damage may not be immediately observable. Furthermore, to have almost everyone addicted to driving their own fossil-fuel-powered single occupant vehicle helps keep their collective mouths shut about the planet’s greatest and very profitable polluter, lest they feel like and/or be publicly deemed hypocrites.
Besides, what back and brain busting, home-mortgaged labourer sustains the energy to worry about such things immediately unseen, regardless of their most immense importance?
I see it somewhat analogous to a cafeteria lineup consisting of diversely societally represented people, all adamantly arguing over which identifiable traditionally marginalized person should be at the front and, conversely, at the back of the line; and, furthermore, to whom amongst them should go the last piece of quality pie—all the while the interstellar spaceship on which they’re all permanently confined is burning and toxifying at locations rarely investigated.
As a species, we really can be so heavily preoccupied with our own individual admittedly overwhelming little worlds, that we’ll miss the biggest of pictures.
2018-10-03 10:36:14 -0700
put in power to poison our air, water, land. His actions are as severe as Trumps who also only cares about the almighty dollar, not citizens to the point of both risking their own re-election. Actions speaks volumes and both Trudeau & Trump actions, prove their own unstable, greedy,
2018-10-03 10:33:44 -0700
If the government spends my tax dollars on a pipeline that I do not want, I will sue them.
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2018-10-03 10:33:25 -0700
2018-10-03 10:28:19 -0700
put in power to
!!! Their job is to protect citizens and their environment, right to live healthy, breath clean air, drink clean water. When a Government is so hell bent on a deadly issue to the point of
, this speaks volumes as to their lack of stability on